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Forgiveness Quiz Blogging: Are The Questions about God or Us?

On a different blog, someone made this comment about the Forgiveness Quiz (see the questions here):

The difficulty I see is such a quiz, or in discussing forgiveness, is making assumptions about whether the question is in regard to God and us, or us and others – that is not apparent in the questions, but the answers depend on knowing which relationship is being talked about.

My response to this is basically, “No.  It doesn’t matter if the questions are about God or us.” The first principle of Christian forgiveness is that we are to forgive others as God forgave us.

Below is an excerpt from Unpacking Forgiveness:

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God’s forgiveness for Christians is the model he expects Christians to live out. We find this principle stated more than once in the Scriptures. Jesus included this point in the Lord’s Prayer. The key word is “as.”

And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors. Matthew 6:12b

Paul stressed this in both Ephesians and Colossians.

Be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, as God in Christ forgave you. Ephesians 4:32 (emphasis added)

Bearing with one another and, if one has a complaint against another, forgiving each other; as the Lord has forgiven you, so you also must forgive. Colossians 3:13 (emphasis added)

The first thing to do in developing an understanding of how we should forgive one another is to understand how God forgives us. This simplifies defining forgiveness because the Bible says far more about how God forgives people than it does about how people should forgive people.

Two Resources on The Shack

I continue to be asked questions about The Shack.  While, I have not taken time to review it myself, I would point people to two different resources.

First, Tim Challies has written an excellent review that you can find here.

You can also watch this clip from Mark Driscoll.  Mark is less irenic about his views.  But, he raises some good questions.

 

Some of My Prayers for Unpacking Forgiveness

My family has prayed a great deal for Unpacking Forgiveness.

Here are a list of ways that I am praying.  I pray that as a result of this book:

  • That some would better understand how they can be forgiven by a holy God.
  • That more will understand that unpacking forgiveness is both right and best: God will be most satisfied in us, when we are most satisfied in Him.
  • That some will see that if they cannot or will forgive a repentant person that they should question their own salvation. Saying, “I will never forgive,” may be like saying, “I’m planning on going to hell.”
  • That some will understand that whatever someone has done to offend them, pales in comparison to what they have done to offend a holy God.
  • That readers will understand the importance of embracing providence if they are to unpack forgiveness.
  • That someone will drop something, they will realize that a man’s wisdom gives him patience. It is to his or her glory to overlook an offense.
  • That the reader will understand that the way to true humility is not in willing myself to be humble – -rather in knowing the vastness and glory and beauty of the triune God. Ants gazing at Mt. Everest don’t argue about who is tallest.
  • That some readers will be encouraged by the stories of others who show incredible grace in horrible circumstances.
  • That some will be encouraged to read some of the great books I mention: Piper, Bridges, Sande, etc.
  • That readers will be driven to read relevant biblical texts for themselves.
  • That our church family will share the joy of the project.
  • That people will be better equipped to minister to those harmed and wounded.
  • That some will realize that God doesn’t sprinkle grace indiscriminately like fairy dust, but rather works through certain appointed means: his Word (including hearing it preached), fellowship, prayer, and worship.

Results of the Forgiveness Quiz – Part I

First, the really important stuff.  The first two winners are both from the state of Pennsylvania:

David Marks

Rebecca Wimer

David and Rebecca’s books are signed and in the mail.  And, Unpacking Forgiveness is now available.  Click here.

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As for the results.  Here is the first of several posts.  A total of 870 participated.  We basically agreed on several of the questions.

On half the questions: 1,3,5,7 –we nearly all agreed.

On two of the questions: 2, 4 –just over half of you agreed with me—

On two of the questions: 6, 8–I was in the minority.

Only 7% agreed with me perfectly (and one of those was my mother).

Now, I’ll allow that there is some ambiguity in a quiz like this.  There are a couple I could argue the other way. . . Still, I don’t think the difference in opinion results simply from the instrument of the quiz.  Rather, if nothing else, the quiz demonstrates that there is a great range of opinion about what the Bible teaches about forgiveness.

In a fallen world, relationships get damaged and broken.  We all wound, and we are all wounded.  We must know what we believe about forgiveness.

Below is the detail of how people responded.

The answers are hyperlinks to explanations.

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Statement

Chris’s Answer

% Who Agreed

%Who Disagreed

1.

Where deep wounds are concerned, forgiveness can be unpacked in a moment.

FALSE

79

21

2.

Personal happiness and joy can legitimately motivate people to live out what the Bible teaches about forgiveness.

TRUE

57

43

3.

Most Christian pastors and counselors agree about what forgiveness is and how it should take place.

FALSE

92

8

4.

Forgiveness occurs properly only when certain conditions are met.

TRUE

57

43

5.

Jesus said little about how people should resolve interpersonal conflict.

FALSE

96

4

6.

A willingness to forgive is a “test” of whether or not a person will go to heaven when he or she dies.

TRUE

45

55

7.

Good people get to the bottom of all their disagreements.

FALSE

91

9

8.

There are times when it is wrong to forgive.

TRUE

33

67

Earth From Above Pictures

Check out these stunning pictures taken from above earth.

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HT: Vitamin Z

No Pious Particles: Christians Need One Another

Haddon Robinson writes:

. . . Let’s not kid ourselves.  We can’t be what Moffat called “a pious particle,” a Christian in isolation.  We need the church for our own grip on faith.  We may approach the Throne as individuals, of course, but common prayers, common praise, common fellowship are also a part of Christian experience.

Actually, attending church is a life and death matter!  Tired congregations snoozing in their padded pews do not reflect the tension of the “day approaching.”  Yet that day is closer than we realize.

What is the Christian Response to Sullivan, Fuld, and Other Greedy Corporate Leaders?

God only knows who is responsible for the current financial mess.  And, that’s where this post is going to end up.  But, it doesn’t take an MBA to assign some of the blame.  The greed of corporate leaders makes the rich man of Luke 16 (who only dressed in purple and feasted sumptuously) look positively thrifty.  Consider:

  • Despite a failed company, AIG’s Andrew Sullivan still plans on riding his golden parachute of $15 million dollars off into the sunset.  He told congress he will keep the money.
  • AIG leaders enjoyed a $440,000 retreat days after the federal government spent $85 billion dollars of taxpayer money to bail the company out.
  • Lehman CEO Richard Fuld gave departing executives huge severance packages and said that the company was strong only days before Lehman folded.  Fuld himself received $187 million in pay.
  • A USA Today article that you can read here gives a mind boggling summary of exit packages.

Meanwhile, the pain begins.  401k plans are down $2 trillion dollars ($2,000,000,000,000 if I counted zeros right).  People no longer able to work may lose their savings.  How should Christians who lose their homes, jobs or retirements relate to the people partially responsible?

Read Luke 16:19-31 aloud with emphasis and you will be able to form some of your response without reading my summary points at the end.

19 “There was a rich man who was clothed in purple and fine linen and who feasted sumptuously every day. 20 And at his gate was laid a poor man named Lazarus, covered with sores, 21 who desired to be fed with what fell from the rich man’s table. Moreover, even the dogs came and licked his sores. 22 The poor man died and was carried by the angels to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried, 23 and in Hades, being in torment, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham far off and Lazarus at his side. 24 And he called out, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus to dip the end of his finger in water and cool my tongue, for I am in anguish in this flame.’  25 But Abraham said, ‘Child, remember that you in your lifetime received your good things, and Lazarus in like manner bad things; but now he is comforted here, and you are in anguish. 26 And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, in order that those who would pass from here to you may not be able, and none may cross from there to us.’ 27 And he said, ‘Then I beg you, father, to send him to my father’s house—28 for I have five brothers —so that he may warn them, lest they also come into this place of torment.’ 29 But Abraham said, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them hear them.’ 30 And he said, ‘No, father Abraham, but if someone goes to them from the dead, they will repent.’ 31 He said to him, ‘If they do not hear Moses and the Prophets, neither will they be convinced if someone should rise from the dead.’”

You could no doubt add to, or fine tune, this list.

  • Confess the greed and consumption in our own lives.  Perhaps, the difference between most of us and Andrew Sullivan is only a matter of degree or opportunity.
  • Pray lead me not into temptation – I wouldn’t trade places with one of those CEO’s for all the world.  But, who among us can assume that we would able to refuse such wealth if given the opportunity?

“Remove far from me falsehood and lying; give me neither poverty nor riches; feed me with the food that is needful for me, lest I be full and deny you and say, “Who is the Lord?” or lest I be poor and steal and profane the name of my God.(Pr 30:8-9).”

  • Love – - We should have great compassion for people who partied for a week or two and, apart from saving faith, face eternal punishment.  Even if you lost everything materially.  Everything.  Say you starved.  Would you wish that those responsible would suffer for a million years and be no closer to the end of their suffering?

Bonhoeffer was right, “. . . it is only when God’s wrath and vengeance are hanging as grim realities over the heads of one’s enemies that something of what it means to love and forgive them can touch our hearts.”

  • Share your faith.  To the degree that our economy collapses, to that degree we will have an opportunity to share the wonder that we can store up treasures in Heaven (Matthew 6:19-21).Warn that forgiveness is not automatic.  It is only for those who believe.  (You can read more about this point here).
  • Remember, that anything someone may have done to offend us, pales in comparison to what we have done to offend a Holy God.  Those unwilling to graciously offer forgiveness to offenders, would do well to read “The Parable of the Unforgiving Servant,” Matthew 18:21-35 again carefully
  • Leave judgment to God.  Jesus words are a vivid reminder.  Vengeance belongs to God and he will repay (Romans 12:19).  God only knows who is responsible.

The Church in Germany

Click here to watch a fascinating video about a man who came from Germany to attend the Sovereign Grace Pastor’s College.  If you love history and missions, and you want to be be encouraged, don’t miss this one.

Declining Russia

Al Mohler offers an insightful article on the current state of Russia.

Reports out of Russia indicate that the recent military clash with Georgia may have represented something more like desperation than opportunism.  Murray Feshbach of The Washington Post reports that, all things considered, Russia is actually close to a national collapse.

“Predictions that Russia will again become powerful, rich and influential ignore some simply devastating problems at home that block any march to power,” Feshbach reports.  “Sure, Russia’s army could take tiny Georgia. But Putin’s military is still in tatters, armed with rusting weaponry and staffed with indifferent recruits. Meanwhile, a declining population is robbing the military of a new generation of soldiers. Russia’s economy is almost totally dependent on the price of oil. And, worst of all, it’s facing a public health crisis that verges on the catastrophic.”

Read the whole thing here.

An Interview on Unpacking Forgiveness

If you click here, you can read a blog interview I did about Unpacking Forgivness.

Sadly, there is even a picture of me.   However, if you’re like me, you always try and read the books on the shelf behind the guy in the picture.  Those who know their titles will see a biography of Whitfield, a book on C.S. Lewis, and some choice commentaries.