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The Great Debate: Does God Exist?

Justin Holcomb of the Resurgence summarizes the great apologetics debate between Greg Bahnsen and Gordon Stein.

It became known as the Great Debate.

In 1985 the University of California at Irvine hosted a public debate between philosopher Greg Bahnsen and atheist Gordon Stein on the topic “Does God Exist?”
What Ensued

Stein came prepared to cut down traditional apologetic arguments for the existence of God, but the philosopher’s approach was unexpected. Bahnsen went on the offensive and presented the Transcendental Argument for the Existence of God: the God of the Bible must exist because no other worldview makes rational sense of the universe and logic, science, and morals ultimately presuppose a theistic worldview. He explained:

The transcendental proof for God’s existence is that without Him it is impossible to prove anything. The atheist worldview is irrational and cannot consistently provide the preconditions of intelligible experience, science, logic, or morality. The atheist worldview cannot allow for laws of logic, the uniformity of nature, the ability for the mind to understand the world, and moral absolutes. In that sense the atheist worldview cannot account for our debate tonight.

Remembering the debate, philosopher and theologian John Frame writes,

I was there, having driven up with several students from Westminster in Escondido. It was in a large lecture hall at U. C. Irvine, and the place was packed. The atmosphere was electric. I don’t know how many were Christians, but it was evident as the debate progressed that the audience became convinced that Bahnsen won the debate.

Read the rest here.

Christopher Hitchens Has Died, Doug Wilson Reflects

The well known atheist Christopher Hitchens died Thursday night. Doug Wilson, who debated Hitchens numerous times reflects in a Christianity Today article:

Editor’s Note: Christopher Hitchens has died at the age of 62. A statement from Vanity Fair said that he died Thursday night at cancer center in Houston of pneumonia, a complication of his esophageal cancer. CT asked Douglas Wilson to weigh in on the life and death of the prominent atheist.

Christopher Hitchens was a celebrity intellectual, and, as such, the basic outlines of his life are generally well known. But for those just joining us, Christopher Hitchens was the older of two sons, born to Eric and Yvonne in April 1949. He discovered as a schoolboy that probing questions about the veracity of the Christian faith were part of a discussion that he “liked having.” His younger brother, Peter, followed him in unbelief. But unlike Christopher, Peter publicly returned to the Church of England, the communion where they had both been baptized.

Christopher spent some time in the 1960s as a radical leftist, but of course that was what everybody was doing back then. Somehow Christopher managed to do this and march to a different drummer, doing his radical stint as part of a post–Trotskyite Luxemburgist sect. He graduated from Balliol at Oxford, and soon became established as a writer, the vocation of his life, one in which he excelled. As a writer and thinker, he was greatly influenced by (and wrote about) men like George Orwell and Thomas Jefferson, while as the same time reserving the right to attack any sacred cow of his choosing—and the more sacred, the better. He is widely known for his scathing attack on Mother Teresa, and when Jerry Falwell passed away, he spent a good deal of time on television chortling about it.

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D.A. Carson on the intolerance of tolerance

G.K. Chesterton famously said  that, “Tolerance is the virtue of people who don’t believe anything.”  Here Carson explains how the connotation of “tolerance” has changed over time.


HT: Z

What is a properly basic belief?

Kick off the new year with some deep thinking.

HT: Justin Taylor

When was the last time you seriously considered where you will spend eternity?

Pastor Jeremy Carr of Oxford Bible Fellowship responds to those who find it difficult to believe that Hell is eternal.

Jeremy Carr:

It seems that the biggest hang-up people have with the concept of hell is that it is eternal. The argument goes like this, “It doesn’t seem fair that someone who sins for a relatively short time on earth should have to pay for their sins by being eternally punished in hell.” This is an important concern for us to consider. Why is hell eternal?

I want to offer three lines of thinking in answer to this question. The first comes from C.S. Lewis via Tim Keller. The other two are more original (though I believe they have the support of Scripture, and others have probably formed similar thoughts). At the same time, I’m still processing them, so any thoughts you have would be helpful. You can comment by clicking “Discuss this Post” below.

1. A relational explanation (Lewis/Keller).
This explanation basically goes like this: At some point our body will die on this earth, but our soul lives on into eternity to experience what we have desired and lived for in this life. So if you desire Christ and trust him as your Savior, that is your eternity. If you rejected your Creator and want to live without him here, you will do so for all eternity. There’s a lot more to this, but you’ll need to read chapter 5 of The Reason for God for more.

The rest here.

Frame on God’s sovereignty in election and our responsibility as moral agents

Both these things are true:

  1. God is sovereign and is in control of all things.  Human choices in no way diminish the sovereignty of God.

  2. Human beings are responsible moral agents.  God is in no way morally responsible for sin.

Of course, just looking at these two statements can cause a head ache.  Our finite minds cannot completely understand how these two truths come together.  Still, it is worth reflecting on and meditating further.  John Frame has helped my understanding by making a literary comparison.  Read Frame below and see if you think it helps.

Be aware going in – – as one of my professors always warned, “These kinds of analogies end in heresy.”  Frame himself points out that this is not an exhaustive explanation of the problem.

A Literary Model of Divine and Human Agency, quoting from the magisterial, The Doctrine of God (A Theology of Lordship)

“No analogy is a perfect description of the Creator-creature relationship, because that relationship is unique. But I do believe that the author-character model conveys significant insight. The author has complete control over the characters. But, as I indicated in my discussion of creature otherness, the author seeks to make the characters and events fit together in a coherent and artistic way. Once he conceives of a character, that character takes a life of its own, as we say, and the author takes responsibility to shape the events of the story in light of the integrity of the character. And of course the reverse is also true: he shapes the character to fit with integrity into the story.

In a well-wrought story, there is a causal nexus within the world that the author creates. Events can be explained, not only by the author’s intention, but also by the structure of “secondary causes” within the world of the story. When events can be explained only by the author’s intention, we often use terms like dues ex machine. Ordinarily the intrusion of arbitrary elements that are not explainable within the world of the story is the mark of an unskilled writer.

In Shakespeare’s play Macbeth, Macbeth kills King Duncan for his own reasons, using resources that are available to him. Duncan’s death can be described entirely by causes and effects within the world of the play. But, the author, Shakespeare, is the ultimate cause of everything. Furthermore, although Duncan’s death can be explained by causes within the drama, the author is not just the “primary cause” who sets in motion a chain of causes and effects that unfold without his further involvement. Rather, he writes every detail of the narrative and dialogue; as author, he is involved in everything that happens. So there are two complete causal chains. Every event inMacbeth has two causes, two sets of necessary and sufficient conditions: the causes within the play itself, and the intentions of Shakespeare.

The two different worlds, then, are sufficiently distinct that the two causal chains play different roles. Perhaps it is misleading to call them both causal, though we can certainly understand why it is natural to do so.

We can see one reason why Macbeth is responsible for his actions, even though Shakespeare in one sense “made him” kill Duncan. In his world, on his level, Macbeth is the necessary and sufficient cause of Duncan’s death. He is fully to blame.

So Macbeth is responsible within the plane of the story—horizontally, we might say. But is he also responsible vertically? Is he responsible to Shakespeare as we are responsible to God? Well, here the analogy bogs down a bit, but some things can be said. First, Macbeth the character has not received revelation of Shakespeare’s existence, nor is he held responsible for a covenant relationship with Shakespeare, as we are for our relationship with God. But an author other than Shakespeare might take on an even more godlike role: entering the drama to reveal his own standards to the characters, provoke them in some way to respond to this revelation, and then judge their responses. So vertical responsibility is possible within the authorial model. Second, Shakespeare was probably a theist, and in the play he created a world in which characters are responsible to God, not to himself. But Shakespeare is also an authority in Macbeth’s world, for he sets up the standards to the characters, provoke them in some way to respond to this revelation, and then judge their responses. Shakespeare is not a modern nihilist; the world of his plays is a world in which transitional (mainly biblical) moral standards prevail. Shakespeare invents the plot that brings Macbeth down, since the playwright judges that downfall to be appropriate. So, in an important sense, Macbeth is responsible to Shakespeare.

We can see how various elements of this analogy reflect God’s relationship to us: (1) God’s creativity, (2) his fitting of characters to the plot and vice versa, (3) the two complete causal structures, (4) God’s complete control, (5) his involvement in every detail of the story, (6) the two distinct levels of reality, (7) the asymmetry by which God has the power in himself to become man, but we don’t have any power to become God, and (3) creaturely responsibility to other creatures and to God. . .

Our model suggests exciting ways of looking at the course of nature and history. As with any story, human history is plagued by terrible difficulties that seem impossible to remedy. The Fall brings a radical change in human character. We have no resources for dealing with it. But God surprises us with the most amazing and wonderful deliverance: life from the death of his Son. This is not a deus ex machine, for Jesus is perfectly human as well as perfectly divine. As man, he must endure all the temptations, sorrows, and miseries of the fallen world. But he rises glorious from the dead to rule all the nations and to bring his purposes to pass. We continue to live amid sorrows that are, from the standpoint of our own resources, impenetrable. But we look forward to great surprises, as God comes to humble the proud and exalt the lowly in his grand resolution of the story.

Jesus also emerges from the broader historical process in the most wonderful way. For many centuries, God has prepared Israel for the coming of Christ, through prophecies, types, shadows, and redemptive events. When he arrives, he frustrates their messianic expectations. But, with a deeper understanding of Scripture (see Luke 24:25-32), we perceive a profound organic unity between the Old Testament and Jesus’ life, death, and resurrection. There is tension, but a deeper unity between the Lord and his historical environment. Thus, Scripture bears the mark of a great drama: tension, surprise, and shock, but nevertheless with a profound sense of inevitability.

As literature alone, this story would be fascinating. What is all the more wonderful is that it is real. And as we read on excitedly through a well crafted novel to delight in the author’s creative resolutions of tensions, far more may we look at the trials of this life in that confident expectation that God will resolve the tensions in a way that will delight. Thus were are encouraged to look forward to God’s complete victory over sin as the final solution of the problem of evil.”

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Giving a reasoned defense of the faith

Our church was blessed this summer to hear Mike Wittmer preach.  Mike recently posted some of his interaction with a skeptic.  In so doing, he models “presuppositional apologetics.”  If that wording throws you off a bit – - just read how he interacted with an unbeliever.

About a month ago I received a spirited email from a self-described skeptic whose friend had recommended that he read Don’t Stop Believing.  The reader said that he had been raised in a conservative Christian home, but now he thought that there was insufficient proof for the existence of God and Scripture.  He was singularly unimpressed with my arguments for both in DSB, and he suggested that I man up and mail him a refund.  I responded to him from a presuppositional perspective, which I have edited to conceal his identity.

Dear Friend:

Thank you for your email.  Regarding your questions, I was writing DSB from within the Christian tradition for other Christians, so I was assuming some basic starting points, or presuppositions.  You do not seem to share those same presuppositions, so let me say a word about them.

You are right that in some sense we all begin with ourselves.  If I believe in something or think that something is true, then it must be “I” who holds this belief.  So you and I both use our rational and empirical faculties asinstrumental starting points.

We differ in regard to our content presuppositions.  You seem to begin with yourself again, refusing to believe anything on insufficient evidence.  This would explain why you think that I am a fideist (claiming that “I know because I know even though I can’t prove it”) and why you say that you don’t know whether God exists or the Bible is his Word.

My content presupposition is that God exists and that he has revealed himself in Scripture.  I appreciate why you would not accept this starting point, but you should note that I am not claiming to be “an oracle channeling God” but rather a recipient of his revelation.  This is the important difference between us:  I believe that God has revealed himself to us and you do not.

The rest here.

Try offending someone by telling him that he’s a purple zebra

I’ll buy you a piece of pie and a cup of coffee at the Royal Blue in Stillman Valley if you can find someone who gets offended if you call them a purple zebra.

Try it.  Go to the mall.  Or, your local coffee shop and look at someone, and tell her that she’s a purple zebra.  See if they get mad.

Of course, no one in their right mind will get upset about being called a purple zebra.  Everyone knows the label doesn’t fit.

On the other hand, if you tell someone that he’s a rebellious sinner, things get more interesting.  Because, all people, even unbelievers, know deep down in their heart of hearts that they are accountable to a righteous God.  The defensiveness of people – - (Romans 2:14 ff) shows that they have a standard of righteousness written on their hearts.

And, for those, who will be broken about their sin, we have good news . . .

Tiger’s Remorse and Questions About Buddhism to Consider

Tiger Woods today issued an unqualified apology for his infidelity.  I appreciate the way Tiger took ownership and pray he will hear the invitation of the Gospel.

At the same time, Tiger’s statement raises questions about his professed Buddhism. Tiger said:

Part of following this path for me is Buddhism, which my mother taught me at a young age. People probably don’t realize it, but I was raised a Buddhist, and I actively practiced my faith from childhood until I drifted away from it in recent years. Buddhism teaches that a craving for things outside ourselves causes an unhappy and pointless search for security. It teaches me to stop following every impulse and to learn restraint. Obviously I lost track of what I was taught.

Besides saying that immorality is wrong, how will Buddhism help?

Buddhism with its belief that god is an abstract void or undifferentiated essence leaves those who seek change to find the resources within themselves.  Does Tiger really think he has the resources within himself to change?

Said a different way, Tiger has just had a cruel encounter with the Law and the Law won. Tiger is faced squarely with the requirements of morality, but he is trying to do it on his own. Yet, if he would turn to Christ, he would find the truth of this simple rhyme:

Run [Tiger] run, the law commands,

But gives us neither feet or hands,

But, better news the Gospel brings,

It bids us fly and gives us wings.

Can a Buddhist be forgiven?

Buddhism offers no forgiveness. In reference to Buddhism, Dean Halverson points out:

Because the law of karma is an impersonal principle similar to a law of nature, the consequences of our moral actions are inevitable. Sin, in other words, cannot be forgiven because there is no forgiver. Just as you don’t ask forgiveness from the law of gravity – a natural law – neither is it possible for the law of karma to forgive. Compact Guide To World Religions, The , page 66.

This may explain why Tiger did not use the word “forgive” or “forgiveness.” Tiger apologized to different groups, but he did not ask for forgiveness which fits with Buddhist beliefs. Yet, didn’t it come through that Tiger knows he needs forgiveness?

Oh to point Tiger and others carrying such heavy burdens to the invitation of Jesus Christ, “Come to me all you who are heavy laden and I will given you rest (Matt 11:28-30).

Does Tiger really think he can atone for what he has done?

Tiger said,

I have a lot to atone for . . . It’s now up to me to make amends, and that starts by never repeating the mistakes I’ve made. It’s up to me to start living a life of integrity.

Of course, Tiger can never atone for what he has done.  He needs grace.

Giving him the benefit of the doubt, Tiger probably realizes that he can never atone. Yet, he also sees the need. So, he is caught. Again, we would proclaim Gospel of the Triune God and his demonstration of love: “Not that we love God, but that he loved us and sent his son as an atoning sacrifice for our sin (1 John 4:10).”

Or, we might point Tiger to Toplady’s words in Rock of Ages:

Not the labor of my hands
Can fulfill Thy law’s demands;
Could my zeal no respite know,
Could my tears forever flow,
All for sin could not atone;
Thou must save, and Thou alone.

Is it okay for a repentant Buddhist to be angry on behalf of his wife?

Tiger said:

It angers me that people would fabricate a story like that. Elin never hit me that night or any other night. There has never been an episode of domestic violence in our marriage, ever. Elin has shown enormous grace and poise throughout this ordeal. Elin deserves praise, not blame.

Later in the interview, Tiger expressed indignation over his children being followed.

In answer to the question, it would be my understanding that, the Buddhist answer to the question of whether or not it is ever okay to be angry is “no.” Indeed, the Buddhist goal of enlightenment would be to extinguish all passions. Again, quoting from Compact Guide To World Religions, The :

Christians, for example, speak of a God who has emotions such as anger and love, but Buddhists see such emotions as a negative rather than something to be proud of. Such emotions indicate that such a person is still stuck in his or her attachment to the ego.

The Christian response to the question of whether or not Tiger could be justly angry on Elin’s behalf is clearly, “yes.” There is such a thing as righteous anger.

Why would our culture say Tiger was wrong?

Tiger accepted that he was wrong.  But, we ought to ask our pornography saturated, infidelity celebrating culture why we are so indignant.  Tiger pointed to cultural standards and the expectations for married couples.  He also mentioned his Buddhist faith, which would condemn his behavior.  But, what standards do these establish if one does not believe in a personal, holy God?

So, our culture, even as it tries to suppress the truth, testifies against itself (Romans 2:14-15).

Your longings for something more, indicate there’s something more

In his recent talk on C.S. Lewis, John Piper shared that both Tolkien and Lewis believed that the chord stories strike with the depths of our being is evidence that there is a true story.

Notice especially the bold.

One decisive influence was J. R. R. Tolkein, author of The Lord of the Rings. He argued like this, as Lewis did for the rest of his life: When this Joy—this stab of inconsolable longing—is awakened by certain powerful “myths” or “stories,” it is evidence that behind these myths there is a true Myth, a true Story that really exists, and that the reason the Joy is desirable and inconsolable is that it’s not the real thing. The True Myth, the Real Joy is the original shout, so to speak, and the stories and myths of human making are only echoes.

Tolkein pressed the analogous truth for Christianity. And Lewis did the same years later: “A man’s physical hunger does not prove that that man will get any bread: he may die of starvation on a raft in the Atlantic. But surely a man’s hunger does prove that he comes of a race which repairs its body by eating, and inhabits a world where eatable substances exist.” In other words, “If I find in myself a desire which no experience in this world can satisfy, the most probably explanation is that I was made for another world.”

Read the rest of Piper’s talk here.

See also, Without A Dark Introduction, There Are No Fairy Tales, C.S. Lewis posts